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Seewoods 193 points194 points 1 month ago[-]

"If I don't believe God will help you, then who will?"

I'm going to have to remember this line. Me and some friends meet up every other week to cook food and distribute it to the homeless people who congregate in the local park, and I think nearly everyone in the group is non-religious. We don't really get asked why we do it; most people seem to focus their surprise on the fact that we're just a bunch of teenagers. But I imagine the religion question will come up eventually.

knightabe 90 points91 points 1 month ago[-]

I'm also fond of: "There is no god, we have to watch out for each other."

exscape 27 points28 points 1 month ago[-]

That could be taken offensively, though, as you're stating there's no god.

IbanezAndBeer 15 points16 points 1 month ago[-]

phrase it like "IF I DON'T BELIEVE IN GOD, then I believe we have to watch out for each other" or something.

whuuh 18 points19 points 1 month ago[-]

I believe that my opinion is that if we don’t assume that I don’t believe in God, which I may do or may not do, then believing he does not or does exist we might in one case have to realise that I believe that God, being in my belief not existent, although really may or may not exist, may or may not watch our for us, where I believe in the latter, would then lead to us having to accept that I could believe that we may have to in his place watch out for each other imho.

Or just leave the burden of proof with yea-sayers where it belongs.

IbanezAndBeer 1 point2 points 1 month ago[-]

I better memorise that one for future use too

zugi 2 points3 points 1 month ago[-]

I think it's easiest to just add "if" at the beginning:

"If there is no god, then we have to watch out for each other."

FlerpDong 4 points5 points 1 month ago[-]

Is there a difference between stating "There is no god" and "I do not believe there is a god"? You may be able to argue about the nuances of positing the nonexistence of something versus rejecting the existence of something, but this difference pales against the similarities. I mean, it's a claim about reality, about the world -- saying you believe something to be true is redundant compared to just saying it is true. That should be implicit in the fact that you are stating it in the first place, without qualifying it further.

audiodude 4 points5 points 1 month ago* [-]

Is there a difference between stating "There is no god" and "I do not believe there is a god"?

Yes. The phrases have different semantics. The first is an unqualified statement of fact and the latter is an unqualified statement of belief/opinion.

Consider for example:

"There is no Secretary of Agricultural Reconciliation"; versus

"I do not believe there is a Secretary of Agricultural Reconciliation".

Also keep in mind that in North American vernacular English the singular noun "god" is commonly interpreted as the name, the proper noun, "God" -- Yahweh, the god of Abraham, THE LORD in Christian bibles. A more precise rendering of your first phrase which I would consider equivalent to the second is "There are no gods". Your second phrase skirts the issue by the addition of the indefinite article 'a'.

TLDR: There is a significant difference in the semantics of the example phrases.

Ographer 2 points3 points 1 month ago[-]

Although understandable, It always seems odd when people respond to statements with, "WELL THAT'S JUST YOUR OPINION."

I think it's assumed that everything that comes out of my mouth is an opinion, and so there is no point to saying it each time. Even things like the existence of gravity is my opinion - it's just also many other people's opinions.

Pointing out that "there is no god" is "just your opinion" does not discount it any more than "there is gravity" simply because the 'opinion' can very well be fact, based on factual evidence.

unstated_assumptions 2 points3 points 1 month ago[-]

If people choose to take offense at my claim that there is no god, then fuck 'em.

EVIL5 1 point2 points 1 month ago[-]

I can't imagine giving a shit about what someone might find offensive. I'm going to speak my mind and voice my opinions as loudly as I like, and I might do it with the above quote.

I have to hear some bullshit about god every day in one form or another. Does anyone care that I might be offended by that? No. So, as long as it says, "In God We Trust" on my money, I'm gonna say whatever the fuck I want to.

desperatechaos 9 points10 points 1 month ago[-]

While this phrase sounds really good and smart to atheists, I wonder what hardcore religious people would think. Would they find it offensive? Perhaps they might interpret it as, "I'm so good I'm doing God's work because I don't think He will."

... I dunno. Just throwing it otut there.

newnetmp3 8 points9 points 1 month ago[-]

I wouldn't call myself hardcore, but its not offensive in the least. I don't attribute every good thing one person does to another as an "ACT OF GOD!" it is simply an act of care/giving from one person to another. Some people are just nice people. If it takes someone to think that every nice thing some people do is an act of God just to justify the random act of kindness, then they are idiots.

TallahasseWaffleHous 2 points3 points 1 month ago[-]

Well there are many idiots out there then. Maybe you should get to know your fellow religious believers better. I personally know hundreds of people who attribute every single good thing that happens to them to God. But of course when you ask then about the bad stuff and God, then you have to listen to either "Devil Done it" or "I'm a broken vessel...humanity is broken...the world is evil, etc.

Most would even believe that this atheist was sent by god, but the atheist refuses to see how God loves him, and acts through him even in his ignorance and denial of god. seriously.

jenjen60 2 points3 points 1 month ago[-]

...or it will happen if it's God's will. Another favorite is dismissing a bad act because God will forgive them. I know a girl that denied losing her virginity, because God forgave her.

ArionVII 1 point2 points 1 month ago[-]

Well, if I'm doing good that god isn't doing, doesn't that make me a better person than him?

That there is good for a mere mortal to do seems to be evidence for a pretty shoddy job done by an omnipotent and omnibenevolent being.

spectraline 1 point2 points 1 month ago[-]

For my part, I'm not trying to evangelize, so the quality of my witness (what other people think about me) is a non-issue. If they think I am being arrogant so that I can fit in the atheist-shaped hole, it still doesn't take anything away from the good that was done.

DCL88 16 points17 points 1 month ago[-]

I'll also have to remember that quote. It is a very simple explanation that will make sense to religious people.

hollyvvood 21 points22 points 1 month ago[-]

"Silly kid, of course it was God who sent you to help these poor unfortunate souls."

I would expect a response like this.

DCL88 2 points3 points 1 month ago[-]

I think that'd be unlikely for a couple of reasons. First, from the conversation between the OP and the guy he just helped, it seems unlikely someone would ask you for your religion only not to accept a different answer. Second, you are arguing from your atheist point of view, and that's a reason you particularly give to the other person. If the person has any ounce of common sense (i.e. not a fundie), it's more likely that he/she'll get it.

andan 1 point2 points 1 month ago[-]

I was going to respond, "Silly rabbit, Trix are for kids," but your response is better.

spazwank 6 points7 points 1 month ago[-]

Me and a friend used to cook a huge vat of nutritious soup and take it around the homless in our city throughout the winter. Most homeless people assumed we were christian and would start asking about which church we were with or what religion we were. It always gave me a great feeling to declare my atheism and see the total disbelief on their faces when we both said we didnt beleive in god! keep up the good work brother Seewoods; I've not gone out and done any soup runs for a few years now...

insomniac84 5 points6 points 1 month ago[-]

Why do you distribute food? The homeless will never leave if you keep feeding them.

zavoid 2 points3 points 1 month ago[-]

What's up with teens these days? When I was a teen we smoked weed and drank booze in the woods and screwed like rabbits!

Seewoods 1 point2 points 1 month ago[-]

Haha who says we don't do that as well?

jumpinthefire 63 points64 points 1 month ago[-]

my girlfriend's mom refused to believe that i was an atheist because i'm "a kind soul". i guess nice atheists aren't a real thing.

Veteran4Peace 29 points30 points 1 month ago[-]

My ex's family all thought this about me, every single one of them. Annoying as hell.

GIJesse7 18 points19 points 1 month ago[-]

They probably don't think that anymore, being that it was your ex's.

Infinity_Wasted 19 points20 points 1 month ago[-]

you're lucky: my ex's family immediately took it to mean the worst thing. in a split second, I went from being an awesome kid who they loved to talk with, to probably the most hated and evil individual who had wormed his way into their lives.

multirachael 6 points7 points 1 month ago[-]

Funny story: back when I was still a very liberal, non-judgmental Christian (well on my way to becoming an atheist), I had a lot of friends from different walks of life. One of them was a gay friend from a rural, trailer-infested area who had been thrown out, unsupported, by his fundamentalist grandparents, and had to scrape by on his own. We were talking about the fucked-up things that people do in the name of religion, and he made an offhand comment about how Christians are the scum of the earth or something. I told him, gently, "Well...I'm actually a Christian."

He gave me the most shocked, "does not compute" look ever, and said, "But...there's no way you can be a Christian! You've been nice to me!" I realized that that view made all too much sense, and that if the political/personal stance of many Christians was to be mean, cruel and judgmental, to the point where people associated pain, hurt, and betrayal with the name, that I couldn't call myself a Christian anymore.

TL;DR--The importance of being kind to others is one thing that led me away from Christianity and into atheism.

Liberalguy123 3 points4 points 1 month ago[-]

That's why I chose an atheist gf.

fulloffail 8 points9 points 1 month ago[-]

His girlfriend probably is an atheist. My wife's an atheist, but her family is like, fundie Christian. I'm pretty sure they know we're both atheists, but they probably like to imagine that we aren't, just like they imagine there's an invisible man in the sky.

jumpinthefire 1 point2 points 1 month ago[-]

nah, she's catholic. she's pretty ok with my beliefs, though.

fulloffail 1 point2 points 1 month ago[-]

Oh. Well, what are you waiting for? Convert her to our heathenish ways!

whuuh 8 points9 points 1 month ago[-]

THEN WHO WAS ATHEIST?

Chance_of_Sarcasm 0 points1 point 1 month ago[-]

99%

Veteran4Peace 53 points54 points 1 month ago[-]

One of the best things (for me) about being a paramedic in Texas is just how often someone I've helped out assumes I'm a Christian and I get to rattle their worldview when they ask what church I go to.

The bad thing about it is...I'm in Texas.

Tofuik 11 points12 points 1 month ago[-]

They usually rattle your world with buckshot around that point.

watwatwattt 4 points5 points 1 month ago[-]

YEEEEHAWWWW

fulloffail 7 points8 points 1 month ago[-]

Guess you're not in Austin. Least religious place in the whole south.

enlgish_major 13 points14 points 1 month ago[-]

Thank god for Austin

Veteran4Peace 1 point2 points 1 month ago[-]

I'm in Dallas. You guys hiring paramedics down there? LOL.

dweckl 492 points493 points 1 month ago[-]

Great story, touching, really wonderful.

You do realize that without christ you're going to hell, right?

LAT3LY 253 points254 points 1 month ago[-]

You had better capitalize the Lord's name next time you type it, or you're going to hell.

ShasOFish 188 points189 points 1 month ago[-]

Check the shirt you're wearing; polyester? That ain't natural, man. You're going straight to hell.

Veteran4Peace 177 points178 points 1 month ago[-]

Oh yeah, ever had shellfish? Huh?

Well, you can enjoy your shrimp cocktail...IN HELL!!

esoteric_enigma 92 points93 points 1 month ago[-]

Veteran aye? That means you had to cut your hair and shave when you joined the service. You've harmed the edges of your beard! Your smooth face and professional appearance will be perfect for your interview.....with SATAN!!!!!!

GedoonS 76 points77 points 1 month ago[-]

Were you born? Tough luck, SINNER!

thesinner007 28 points29 points 1 month ago[-]

Oh, please, someone do me.

magreb 34 points35 points 1 month ago[-]

You want someone do do you? For pleasure? Don't you know that the natural law purpose of sex is procreation?

I pray you enjoy the pleasure of sexual intercourse with SATAN!

vwllss 20 points21 points 1 month ago[-]

Begging for sex, huh? Well you'll get none of that.. IN HELL!!!

s1i0dis 15 points16 points 1 month ago[-]

Ahh...now I know why hell sucks so much.

dawho1 8 points9 points 1 month ago[-]

No, hell doesn't suck much, that was his point!

The_Thrill 4 points5 points 1 month ago[-]

Quickly! Rinse the demon seed in blessed water!

aeronix 2 points3 points 1 month ago[-]

But not too much! Hate to end up like that one baby.

entropikone 3 points4 points 1 month ago[-]

nah it's cool, Jesus needed the baby more than we did

toofartofall2 1 point2 points 1 month ago[-]

Oh God, I was born -and- in a Third World country, am I going to Hell too?

opcow 22 points23 points 1 month ago[-]

Ran over your daughter with the family SUV because she wore pants? Not a problem.

albino_wino 9 points10 points 1 month ago[-]

HELLFISH!

gizzard 6 points7 points 1 month ago[-]

Haha oh man, this cracked me up. It's a shame you ate meat yesterday and you're GOING TO HELL.

LAT3LY 13 points14 points 1 month ago[-]

How on earth did you kn.... Jesus? Is that you?

IHaveSeenTheLight 12 points13 points 1 month ago[-]

Hey buddy, what happened to "No saying the Lord's name in vain?" You know what? I think what you just typed counts as saying it. And it also counts as being vain.

You're going to Double Hell.

ShasOFish 18 points19 points 1 month ago[-]

You started a sentence with a conjunction. YOU'RE GOING TO HELL!

IHaveSeenTheLight 17 points18 points 1 month ago[-]

Nah it's cool. When I'm about to die, I'll shout to the nearest Catholic Priest "I am sorry for all my sins!" That will make up for everything. Including the brutal triple murder last Friday.

ManiacalV 10 points11 points 1 month ago[-]

As long as you murdered a homosexual or a brown person, you don't even need to do that!

SirCrimson 5 points6 points 1 month ago[-]

If that's the case, he goes straight to double Heaven.

dakk12 4 points5 points 1 month ago[-]

You can't take your money with you. The Lord could make good use of it.

coopspal 7 points8 points 1 month ago[-]

I'm an atheist and I approve of this. Polyester makes me break out in eczema. I tried to find all cotton boxers and found one brand in one style. Damn you all for not caring about the fabric of your undies.

zombiepops 6 points7 points 1 month ago[-]

just go commando, because man was not meant to shove cotton up his arse.

BigScarySmokeMonster 1 point2 points 1 month ago[-]

I heard you once worked on a Sunday. We're sending a team of guys over to your house to kill you, in God's name.

mmaluff 8 points9 points 1 month ago[-]

Too late, straight to hell.

DrDemento 5 points6 points 1 month ago[-]

This is Reddit. Capitalization won't send you to hell, but using the wrong its might.

boywizard 14 points15 points 1 month ago[-]

You're going to burn in a very special level of hell. A level they reserve for child molesters and people who talk at the theater.

blargh9001 5 points6 points 1 month ago[-]

...and ordain women

lvl10troll 0 points1 point 1 month ago[-]

  • fluency in in the art of lols

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[deleted] 40 points41 points 1 month ago* [-]

I actually had something similar happen to me today as well- I enjoy volunteering for my community's homeless shelter. They hand out lunch to homeless people and have a shower truck. So every Thursday and Friday I volunteer.

Typically these events are held at a local church. Everyone thinks I'm a god damned good christian boy. I swear, all these people nearly creamed their pants- partly because I'm young, and secondly because I'm getting involved in the community. So I was serving lunch today, and some guy next to me (He's a member of the church) points to another person across the street and says, "see that guy? That's the enemy."

I couldn't believe what I had just heard. It was like this guy was looking for any reason to call a non-believer an enemy. So I look at him and say, "What makes him the enemy?" His response was "Because he doesn't believe in god." I nearly lost my shit- reason being because I am an atheist. I told him "I don't believe in god so does that make me the enemy?" He just kinda stared blankly at me, So I said "Dude I came here to help people not to discuss religion" And this mother F insisted on following me! He wanted to preach to me the good word. I said " Listen man, I volunteer because it makes me feel good about contributing to my community. I don't want to get involved with the church, I want to get involved with people." And that was that. He couldn't believe it.

It's like people need a reason to do good things on this planet, otherwise they resort to acting like animals. I think it's fucked up, but as someone who doesn't believe in god and someone who thinks a strong community is important I find getting involved with those less fortunate is a humbling experience. I believe most people should do the same. (the difference is, I don't go around preaching my word)

mcgroobber 19 points20 points 1 month ago[-]

my thoughts on this are: if you only do good things to go to heaven, do you even deserve to be there?

Hattmeister 4 points5 points 1 month ago[-]

I have an idea. If there is an afterlife, why don't we all do some Shawshank Redemption-esque escape attempt from Heaven or Hell or Purgatory if you still believe in that. We'll be standing outside the front gates, and across the street will be Valhalla, Olympus, and a bunch of other cool shit. Those pantheons are still around cuz people still read about them (Greek mythology-high school, Norse- The Mighty Thor), but they're probably bored as fuck, cuz nobody worships them anymore. There's a bunch of vacant space on this street because of all the religions that are dead and gone, thanks to those pesky Christians. So we move in to the best looking crib and start our own motherfuckin religion. If we can get Chuck Norris to back us, we'll worship him. Who's with me?

Redgiemental 2 points3 points 1 month ago[-]

Will Spiderman be there?

xandar 4 points5 points 1 month ago[-]

Yeah...the carrot and stick approach to morality. Feels a bit too much like training an animal. Humans can do better than that.

workacct69 4 points5 points 1 month ago[-]

There's no fucking way I want to go to heaven. Too many god damned christians.

[deleted] 1 point2 points 1 month ago[-]

That is an excellent point. Not only that, but it seems to me as being selfish. Take someone who's interested in acts of kindness only because there is potential of going to heaven. Ultimately people of the Catholic and Christian church are kind because it increases their probability of going to heaven. Doesn't Jesus speak against being selfish?

uncleverestest 89 points90 points 1 month ago[-]

God must have sent you. Only explanation.

jeremybirn 71 points72 points 1 month ago[-]

Let us thank the Lord for putting such generosity in the heart of an atheist!

sunshine-x 15 points16 points 1 month ago[-]

this is the "logic" I regularly face from my family. It's maddening.

cujo3017 3 points4 points 1 month ago[-]

It's a game called "you can't win".

Chance_of_Sarcasm 27 points28 points 1 month ago[-]

97%

Janus_Grayden 18 points19 points 1 month ago[-]

That mysterious ways and means clause is at it again.

mooseberry 2 points3 points 1 month ago[-]

Don't you see. The Lord sent this man to help out the man in trouble and tell him he was an atheist to put the confusion of God in this man's mind. In his confusion he will catch many breaks to bring him back to the lord but he will miss them, in the end he will help both himself, and the other atheist, solving all problems, and uniting all with their saviour, Jesus Christ.

pocket_eggs 1 point2 points 1 month ago[-]

Even if you don't believe in God, God believes in you. : )

blurtman 4 points5 points 1 month ago[-]

But if man created God, then what you're saying is that they believe in themselves?

Hattmeister 2 points3 points 1 month ago[-]

The Stand! Stephen King! That old black lady whose name escapes me! I swear, she said almost exactly that.

SquareWheel 2 points3 points 1 month ago* [-]

Chance_of_Sarcasm, what are we looking at here?

BonKerZ 1 point2 points 1 month ago[-]

We're on a mission from GOD.

keepinithamsta 40 points41 points 1 month ago[-]

Should have told him you are God and promptly left.

mindkiller317 20 points21 points 1 month ago[-]

"No one will ever believe you!"

aeronix 3 points4 points 1 month ago[-]

Bill Murray, God, eh, one in the same.

john2kxx 5 points6 points 1 month ago[-]

GenJonesMom 39 points40 points 1 month ago[-]

You are a prime example of Good w/o God. Sometimes I think the only way the religious will be convinced that non-believers are good people is if we wash the windshields of their cars while they're in church and leave a note saying, "an atheist did this".

one_is_enough 13 points14 points 1 month ago[-]

You'd get sued for trespassing and vandalism.

GenJonesMom 6 points7 points 1 month ago[-]

Actually, I was waiting for one of you to say they'd shoot at you with rifles.

Bilibond 4 points5 points 1 month ago[-]

not all people who are religious think atheists are bad. maybe it's just because I'm younger but I find a lot of people I know very tolerant of other peoples beliefs or non-beliefs in this case. I don't know maybe it's just who i hang around with.

newnetmp3 8 points9 points 1 month ago* [-]

You're very right BTW.

I myself am pretty religious, but I hold nothing against my fellow reddit brothers and sisters. If you believe, good on ya. If you've heard it & still don't care, that's fine with me. I'm not one to force people to convert, just not my thing, but anyone who is curious enough to listen then i'll say what i wanna say & leave it at that.

Atheists are just that, Atheist. Its not just a choice you picked on a whim, due to the idea that most developed countries that have access to the internet also have a pretty well established belief system that generally focuses on one God or another. I understand that you heard the stories, whether you wanted too or not as a child, and chose not to buy into it. There is nothing I really think I can add to anything you may have already heard to change your mind. You are what you are and it is what it is. I can still hang with you tho, you're cool with me.

edit: I never said I knew how to convey my ideas into text the right way the first time. (ref:DoorsofPerceptron)

GenJonesMom 3 points4 points 1 month ago[-]

You do sound cool, for a Christian and all. ;)

Necrolich 5 points6 points 1 month ago[-]

Too cool...

GenJonesMom 2 points3 points 1 month ago[-]

Shall we try and turn 'em?

Necrolich 3 points4 points 1 month ago[-]

Nah...

If you (don't)believe, good on ya. If you've heard it & still don't care, that's fine with me. I'm not one to force people to convert, just not my thing, but anyone who is curious enough to listen then I'll say what i wanna say & leave it at that.

GenJonesMom 1 point2 points 1 month ago[-]

You're right. Maybe the next one.

newnetmp3 1 point2 points 1 month ago[-]

Thanks, You sound pretty cool for an Atheist and all. :P

Btw, it's the INSIDE of my windshield that needs to be cleaned. I don't know about you but that angle just hurts my fuckin forearm/wrist.

GenJonesMom 1 point2 points 1 month ago[-]

Bite me, 'darlin.

newnetmp3 1 point2 points 1 month ago[-]

Didn't intend to offend, was just a jest :)

GenJonesMom 1 point2 points 1 month ago[-]

Oh heaven's no, I was jesting as well.

DoorsofPerceptron 1 point2 points 1 month ago[-]

Its (mainly) not exactly just a choice you picked on a whim,

You best be trolling son.

newnetmp3 1 point2 points 1 month ago[-]

No trolling inferred. If you chose to be an atheist on a whim, more power to ya.

GenJonesMom 2 points3 points 1 month ago[-]

I didn't intend on implying that they thought atheists were mean, what I'm getting at is that they don't necessarily think we go out of our way to be good just for goodness' sake.

mysterx 2 points3 points 1 month ago[-]

Good without God = o ... there's a symbol or something in that.

pHreaksYcle 1 point2 points 1 month ago[-]

Gust of wind, notes all over the parking lot.

Littering motherfuckers

GenJonesMom 1 point2 points 1 month ago[-]

They'd be biodegradable of course. ;)

mobileF 44 points45 points 1 month ago[-]

great story.

I'd watch out about letting a stranger know about your friend's new place though...

Nessie 1 point2 points 1 month ago[-]

The second "moving" might not go as successfully for the friend.

ragley 17 points18 points 1 month ago[-]

I was at country store in my hometown that was owned and operated by a church pastor, his daughters were working there that day, there was a vagrant outside, passing through, trying to come up with some money to get by, I only had a couple of dollars in cash on me, so I gave him what I had and talked with him outside for a bit before going in, when inside the girls asked me who that was, because they had been watching him in the parking lot,and wanted to call the cops, I said he was just a guy needing a bit of help, no big deal, and as I was walking out, I turned back and said, you never know, he may have been Jesus.

yngwin 15 points16 points 1 month ago[-]

I am living in an officially atheist country now: China. I have never known people who are as helpful as the Chinese. They really go out of their way to help me, even without me asking for it.

Just goes to show religion has nothing to do with altruism.

sunshine-x 2 points3 points 1 month ago[-]

Sure they do, round-eye..

potatogun 3 points4 points 1 month ago[-]

Interesting. I would have never expected someone to describe chinese as altruistic...

64c 2 points3 points 1 month ago[-]

I've always find Chinese people to be refreshingly honest.

kc9 13 points14 points 1 month ago[-]

Psh, as a scientologist and I see a car accident, I know I can help.

Erupts in to laughter

iRFNA 3 points4 points 1 month ago[-]

Give the victim a touch assist by smashing them into the car that hit them over and over, followed by a free personality test.

Intact 19 points20 points 1 month ago[-]

"If I don't believe God will help you, then who will?"

I know I'm parroting three other comments at this point, but this line is so awesome, it deserves it. I was about to type "God bless you", then stopped, realizing neither you or I are religious. Sir, +1 Karma to you.

dirty_nails 4 points5 points 1 month ago[-]

Upvote for godlessness.

CMYK2RGB 9 points10 points 1 month ago[-]

If I ran into a black person in Idaho, I'd would wonder why as well.

gratefulgroover 10 points11 points 1 month ago[-]

I've been there. What it comes down to is some people will assume you are religious based on what you do, how you look, or your overall demeanor, and so they feel comfortable bringing religion up.

I work in sales and I run into this all the time. I was raised in a very religious home and didn't feel like I could vocally reject Christianity for quite some time. So that, combined with clean cut hair and always wearing a smile screams, 'This must be a good Christian guy!'.

When the question arises I tell them I don't think talking about religion on the job is very professional. If they persist I tell them in a deep, demonic voice, "MY ALLEGIANCE LIES WITH CTHULHU!".

And that my friends, is the advantage to being an underpaid, non-commissioned salesman. I just don't give a fuck.

1over137 6 points7 points 1 month ago[-]

And not a single fuck w.. meh ._.

kaden_sotek 2 points3 points 1 month ago[-]

Now, that is not giving a fuck.

multivoxmuse 1 point2 points 1 month ago[-]

..

newnetmp3 26 points27 points 1 month ago[-]

Im ready for the attacks, but I myself am religious. Not over-the-top "everyone is going to hell if they don't beleive" type, just a personal thing.

I wanted to share my little side-of-the road story that happened to me just today:

I'm driving back to my house down a long just-out-of-town road and i see this big guy (not FAT, but definitely not in-shape) walking down the same westbound side that I was. He's obviously sweating his ass off (Heat index was around 105-110), was carrying a jug of which I assume was water and had a redish/burgundy towel draped around his neck. I think to myself that it is apparent that this guy has had one hell of a walk since I did not see any broken-down cars the entire time i've been on this road, so i get to the next u-turn legal break in the median and head back his way

I clear all my junk off the front seat so he would have a clutter free place to rest in my car's A/C (floorboard was a mess with miscelaneous 'havent cleaned out in over a month' type crap, but not much i could do while driving) I get back to the nearest u-turn spot again and do so. I pull over on the side of the road just behind the guy and tap the horn a couple times. He looks back and I motion to my empty passenger seat. He walks up to the passenger door as i roll the window down and I ask him if he needs a ride. He says "Man if I had run into you back at 295 (the hwy which was at least 10 miles back from where I was coming) I would, but im heading right up there where those signs are." he points to a couple roadsigns about 400ft ahead.

He then thanks me for the offer and calls me "brother" (not any religious connotation involved, btw) and asks if I have a cigarette I could spare, so i gave him one, and pulled off back on my way.

shit happens, and sometimes your too late.

Moral of the story: Be Excellent To Each Other, Regardless of Faith.

[deleted] 15 points16 points 1 month ago[-]

I'm an atheist and I would've just raped him.

newnetmp3 2 points3 points 1 month ago[-]

If that's what floats your boat. I prefer to only rape females, If i had a choice in the matter.

[deleted] 8 points9 points 1 month ago[-]

I don't like to discriminate. I'm equal opportunity. Except when it comes to Laplanders, I don't want my dick to smell like caribou for a month.

magusg 1 point2 points 1 month ago[-]

How about gingers?

fedja 5 points6 points 1 month ago[-]

If the female offered up anal, you'd agree in a second. So technically, an ass is an ass, stop being so picky.

breeze4 5 points6 points 1 month ago[-]

I can't tell if you are trolling or not. I thought Christians don't smoke because it defiles their body as a temple?

You are also hanging out with us heathens down here in purgatory. Are you sure you aren't lost, brother?

newnetmp3 6 points7 points 1 month ago* [-]

I dare not get into the concepts of what is and is not a sin with a bunch of atheists.. no offence, but i still claim the right to chose my battles. As far as being lost, brother, I have had my own doubts and troubles in my life. But they are mine. As are the decisions I have made.

As far as trolling: no.

edit: I went the wrong direction with this post... wasn't trying to get into the "sin" category, merely trying to say that im not a "Perfect" Christian by any means. Please excuse my previous, damn near trollish, statement.

abattle 1 point2 points 1 month ago[-]

I dare not get into the concepts of what is and is not a sin with a bunch of atheists..

A bit down the road and you might find yourself not only having that conversation, but you may even be on the 'wrong' side, so to speak.

You're in good company, whether you choose to discuss a specific concept or not. I myself welcome you, atheist or not. Many of us have been in your shoes.

breeze4 1 point2 points 1 month ago[-]

So you, like many Christians, only like discussing these topics with people who don't know any better? I like to call them "soon to be Ex-Christians". I've been there; I don't know how long you've been struggling with your faith, but you'll find the truth if you keep searching.

Edit: Oops, just reloaded and saw your edit. That was pretty trollish. Well played.

geekweed [S] 1 point2 points 1 month ago[-]

Thank you for posting. Please don't downvote. Excellent point made sir.

pahncrd 6 points7 points 1 month ago[-]

He should just pick himself up by his bootstraps and be rich. Lazy whiner.
/sarcasm

ReallyEvilCanine 4 points5 points 1 month ago[-]

"If I don't believe God will help you, then who will?"

Excellent line, and in the same vein as Rabbi Hillel's famous quote, "If I am not for myself, who will be for me? And if I am only for myself, what am I? And if not now, when?" He was religious but the sentiment is the same, basically the Golden Rule.

Measure76 5 points6 points 1 month ago[-]

I had this happen at work a couple of weeks ago. I work in a call center, and really helped out a girl with her medical bill, really helped her get everything taken care of.

At the end of the call "I hear a certain tone in your voice. You must be religious. Are you?"

"No ma'am, actually I'm an atheist"

"Ok well I'll pray for you anyway bye I'll pray for you bye I'll pray for you bye!"

missmonkey 6 points7 points 1 month ago[-]

Ah, the old "I'll pray for you! " passive aggressive bullshit. It's how christians say "FFFFFFFFUUUUUUUU!"

keikkashisquare 5 points6 points 1 month ago[-]

What is wrong with america? You help somebody and they ask if you are religious.

geekweed [S] 1 point2 points 1 month ago[-]

This should be the top comment.

MissPiecey 6 points7 points 1 month ago[-]

Good for you! That guy must have been on really hard times to end up in Idaho. When I lived in northern Idaho, there were only 2 black people in my Junior High. Not exactly a diverse, welcoming area.

peener 5 points6 points 1 month ago[-]

did he help with the move?

geekweed [S] 20 points21 points 1 month ago[-]

I politely declined, we had enough help. I know he would have though. He sent me a text five minutes ago thanking me again.

baconated 7 points8 points 1 month ago[-]

"Please let me help, I would love to help move, it is the only way I can repay you."

"You can repay me by doing this same thing to someone else."

mosscollection 7 points8 points 1 month ago[-]

I can't lie, the whole time I was reading this story I was waiting for the part where you got robbed.

gilker 4 points5 points 1 month ago[-]

That reminds me of a story my mother-in-law likes to tell about how she had car problems while driving in Houston. Several Latino boys helped her with her car and didn't ask for any reward.

Her take on the incident: God sent angels to help her. (And no, she wasn't speaking metaphorically. She truly believes that it is more likely that an all-powerful being sent supernatural agents to give her a hand than it was that some human beings on the street would help her.)

You_know_THAT_guy 1 point2 points 1 month ago[-]

And if they would have said they were atheists, she would have interpreted this as god's challenge to "save their souls" in return for the Lord's assistance.

Ugh, I am growing ever so cynical.

baraka1408 5 points6 points 1 month ago[-]

Similar thing happened to me. I saw two older ladies with kids stranded on the side of the road, and instead of spending the $20 I had in my pocket on some movies like I planned, I told them to stay put. Went back home (2 mins away) and got my gas can, went to the store, and returned to them with a filled up can. Felt good doing that knowing I don't believe in god, or miracles, or any of that nonsense. I just saw someone who needed help. I need to be like that more often.

Universus 4 points5 points 1 month ago[-]

Reminds me of that futurama episode.

"If you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all."

sparklecakes 4 points5 points 1 month ago[-]

I live in Idaho, let's be friends.

Yellowlego 1 point2 points 1 month ago[-]

Me too, bro.

Izminko 1 point2 points 1 month ago[-]

I live in CA, can I be friends too?

SquareWheel 1 point2 points 1 month ago[-]

Canada or California?

sparklecakes 1 point2 points 1 month ago[-]

I want to be friends with everyone.

Tofuik 2 points3 points 1 month ago[-]

But I thought everyone already loves sparklecakes

sparklecakes 1 point2 points 1 month ago[-]

If only....

funetical 5 points6 points 1 month ago[-]

Can aks you a question? If he was some sort of murderer running from the cops, who ultimately ends up running over people with his car, due to the gas you provided him with, does that make you a bad person? Would it negate the generosity, or worse make you responsible for murder?

Good, bad, whose to say? Ultimately the greatest thing you did was not purchase Reddit gold.

Choralone 5 points6 points 1 month ago[-]

This is a good question to analyze. Why do we ask it? What is it about modern US society where anyone who doesn't have their own means is a criminal and must be avoided? Why is any contact with them tantamount to complicity in all their future actions?

Guy needed a ride and 5 bucks for gas. Guy got a ride and 5 bucks for gas. If he's ultimately a bad guy, you aren't going to change that. IF he treated you civil, and you treated him civil, and you had no reason to suspect he was someone who should probably be dropped off at the police station rather than where he wanted to go, then what moral wrong have you done? You might just have changed a bad guy's night into an uneventful one.

IF this story had been back in the 60's and about a white guy on the side of a california road at noon, would you ask the same question, think about the problem the same way?

funetical 0 points1 point 1 month ago[-]

Ughhh. Really? I... no I'm not going into this with you, it was a stab at Reddit Gold.

You sucked the humor right out of it. Good job.

tzara 4 points5 points 1 month ago[-]

This post just made me realize how awesome reddit is. srsly.

theredsea00 2 points3 points 1 month ago* [-]

I believe there are millions, if not billions of spirit beings and dimensional travelers that exist. I believe some bring your life good things, others bad, many are neutral. I believe fate is real and many of our accomplishments and failures are influenced by these beings. I don't believe in morality, and I don't know what these beings believe in.

I cannot empirically prove they exist. I can only offer anecdotal "evidence". I try to teach my friends what I believe and a few have begun to believe themselves. One friend saw a shadow person. I saw a UFO. We all experience synchronicity and associated time prompt phenomenon.

Our local ghost hunting society has images and audio of voices from haunted sites. I've been in rooms with hundreds of GOOD honest folks talking about their ghost experiences. Are they are all delusional? No. I can read people well, especially elderly folk who spent their lives following the law and doing the "right" thing (societal definition). These are quality folk who very much believe it is wrong to lie. I've spoken with couple after couple about their experiences.

I guess we all want others to believe what we believe, atheists too.

In my opinion, anecdotal evidence often comes before the technological capability to experiment. Centuries from now, we might communicate with these beings via technology. Scientists have such a raging hard on for atheism that scientists that do try to study these fields, are laughed out of their careers, unless their motives are deconfirmation bias.

Dalton ran over anyone who believed that atoms could not be taken apart, broken down. BZZZT! Wrong Dalton. -->IT IS MY OPINION that there are many "Daltons" around now. Humans are loathe to part with their belief systems, even in the face of contrary evidence.

From my perspective, there are mountains of observations to warrant a hypothesis that there is a supernatural. To follow this path as a scientist is like a hipster not wearing ironic clothing. BANISHMENT!

jagacontest 1 point2 points 1 month ago[-]

I cannot empirically prove they exist ...exactly

outlookgrim 2 points3 points 1 month ago[-]

Its pretty sad when its just assumed that the only reason to help others is because your religious. You hit the nail on the head when you said "If I don't believe God will help you, then who will?"

electricAcolyte 2 points3 points 1 month ago[-]

This page is like the best thing ever. The best mix of genuineness and sarcasm. Thank you all for existing, I enjoy our interactions. [8]

benburleson 1 point2 points 1 month ago[-]

I feel bad asking, but did he help you move?

BTW - My family has a hard time understanding that it scares me when people only do nice things because they're afraid of god.

Scalamanga1223 1 point2 points 1 month ago[-]

Good man. In America, religious is synonymous with "good". That's bullshit, thank you for spreading the word.

Shadow14l 1 point2 points 1 month ago[-]

I am religious and I would respond the same way. I don't do nice things because of my religion. I do them because it's the right thing to do. The worst thing I hate is that if a very nice person dislikes me.

But then again,

VeryLittle 1 point2 points 1 month ago[-]

Helpin a brothah out:

God: 0, Geekweed: 1.

Nuff said.

petemc123 1 point2 points 1 month ago[-]

Did you take him up on the offer of help with the move? If you did you would come out up on the deal as moving is a fucking bitch

Tofuik 1 point2 points 1 month ago[-]

I helped a hitchhiker when I was evacuating for Gustav a while back. It felt good to help someone get out of the way of a major storm. I don't think religion really came up, he was more of a old hippy. We just talked about the incoming storm and how crazy nature can be.

I later found out that karma doesn't exist when my rent house practically disappeared in the storm. Leaving me with a pile of rubble and the few things I packed when I evacuated. Never doubt that a hurricane can fuck your world and bring all the things you don't want to lose when you evacuate a place. At least now I live a uncluttered life.

C_IsForCookie 1 point2 points 1 month ago[-]

The tl;dr is a good description but there's so much more. He was very kind as well and very grateful. I may not believe in god, but I do believe in good people, and I have faith in humanity and the balance our planet has. Good for you, sir. You did a great thing, I just hope more will do the same. It's just upsetting when some people take advantage. =\

mareacaspica 1 point2 points 1 month ago[-]

I always get this sort of response when I help people. The classic response in my country is something in the lines of "god help you". It's great to reply "no thanks, I don't believe in god". Feels good man

mountsirius 1 point2 points 1 month ago[-]

Great story! And it's nice hearing of a fellow atheist in Idaho.

BigTortoise 1 point2 points 1 month ago[-]

Atheists ought to be more likely to help people. All religious people will do is pray for the poor man. And praying to a fairy tale won't do any good

nonpareilpearl 1 point2 points 1 month ago[-]

"If I don't believe God will help you, then who will?"

This would be an awesome slogan for an atheist volunteer organization or something.

MilkSteak 1 point2 points 1 month ago[-]

Well shit, don't leave us hanging. How did the move go?

Mikeey 2 points3 points 1 month ago[-]

It was an utter haul.

between2 1 point2 points 1 month ago[-]

Thanks for being a good guy!

FRASHN 1 point2 points 1 month ago[-]

Awesome

EntropysChild 1 point2 points 1 month ago[-]

Bravo!

kook321 1 point2 points 1 month ago[-]

Hey geekweed, could you update us how your night went

awkook 1 point2 points 1 month ago[-]

This is why I love reddit. People like you telling your awesome stories. I wish everyone in the world was as good as reddit

jesusjones11 1 point2 points 1 month ago[-]

inb4 it's all a story and you robbed blind.

againster -1 points0 points 1 month ago[-]

I say, "Yes. I am an ordained minister of the Church of the SubGenius. Hail Bob, Slack it and Slack me. Would you like a pamphlet?"

ERRDAYIMHUSTLIN 0 points1 point 1 month ago[-]

U gon get raped.

Kardlonoc 0 points1 point 1 month ago[-]

Honestly these stories remind me of "I did this because I was a good christain and i sure showed them". They are just getting tiresome, I don't want to hear it every time you do a nice deed and you are a atheist that's just to be expected out of everybody.